Comments on: The inn-significance of the Red Lion http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/the-inn-significance-of-the-red-lion/ zee-tho-fyle, a beer, history, pubs, beerstyles, beer-with-food blog Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:34:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: zythophile http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/the-inn-significance-of-the-red-lion/#comment-1144 zythophile Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:19:31 +0000 http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/the-inn-significance-of-the-red-lion/#comment-1144 Similarly, the first "QI" book contains some complete nonsense on the great porter vat flood of 1814, nicked, I suspect, by the researchers from Alan Eames's book <i>Secret Life of Beer</i>, which destroyed all the believe I has in Stephen Fry as a smug know-it-all who really did know it all. I filled in a "beer history" quiz on an American website earlier this year., which basically meant achieving the highest score by putting down the answer you guessed they thought was right, rather than the answer that was actually right. Similarly, the first “QI” book contains some complete nonsense on the great porter vat flood of 1814, nicked, I suspect, by the researchers from Alan Eames’s book Secret Life of Beer, which destroyed all the believe I has in Stephen Fry as a smug know-it-all who really did know it all.

I filled in a “beer history” quiz on an American website earlier this year., which basically meant achieving the highest score by putting down the answer you guessed they thought was right, rather than the answer that was actually right.

]]> By: Elaine Saunders http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/the-inn-significance-of-the-red-lion/#comment-1131 Elaine Saunders Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:07:58 +0000 http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/the-inn-significance-of-the-red-lion/#comment-1131 Yes my book is out and can be found at www.lulu.com. Just search for A Book About Pub Names. It was designed as an e-book rather than a print book so I could include over 100 colour illustrations and links to dozens of specialist websites eg on the Wars of the Roses, Crimea etc. I've also posted an old article of mine on pub signs at LULU which is available as a free download, Signs From The Spirit World. However, I plead guilty to "unthought-out nonsense" particularly where the Red Lion is concerned. In my own defence, I'd like to quote verbatim a question asked on University Challenge on 1st April 2008. "Which common pub name originally denoted the arms of John of Gaunt and, after 1603, that of the Stuart monarch. If the venerable researchers on University Challenge can fall into the Red Lion trap, what hope can we lesser mortals have? Elaine Saunders A Book About Pub Names www.completetext.com Yes my book is out and can be found at http://www.lulu.com. Just search for A Book About Pub Names. It was designed as an e-book rather than a print book so I could include over 100 colour illustrations and links to dozens of specialist websites eg on the Wars of the Roses, Crimea etc. I’ve also posted an old article of mine on pub signs at LULU which is available as a free download, Signs From The Spirit World.

However, I plead guilty to “unthought-out nonsense” particularly where the Red Lion is concerned. In my own defence, I’d like to quote verbatim a question asked on University Challenge on 1st April 2008. “Which common pub name originally denoted the arms of John of Gaunt and, after 1603, that of the Stuart monarch.

If the venerable researchers on University Challenge can fall into the Red Lion trap, what hope can we lesser mortals have?

Elaine Saunders
A Book About Pub Names
http://www.completetext.com

]]> By: zythophile http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/the-inn-significance-of-the-red-lion/#comment-1108 zythophile Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:09:34 +0000 http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/the-inn-significance-of-the-red-lion/#comment-1108 <blockquote>Suddenly, pub names with catholic connections became unwise, if not dangerous, and landlords rushed to change them. Many adopted “loyal” pub signs, hence the proliferation of Kings Arms, Crown etc</blockquote> If you have hard, contemporary documentary evidence of that, I'd be very interested to see it. Is your book out yet? I'd be very happy to review it, and link to it from here ...

Suddenly, pub names with catholic connections became unwise, if not dangerous, and landlords rushed to change them. Many adopted “loyal” pub signs, hence the proliferation of Kings Arms, Crown etc

If you have hard, contemporary documentary evidence of that, I’d be very interested to see it.

Is your book out yet? I’d be very happy to review it, and link to it from here …

]]> By: Elaine Saunders http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/the-inn-significance-of-the-red-lion/#comment-1101 Elaine Saunders Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:19:07 +0000 http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/the-inn-significance-of-the-red-lion/#comment-1101 Having just finished researching a e-book on British pub names, I found your posting fascinating but should just like to add a little something to your conclusions. When Henry VIII was refused permission to divorce Catherine of Aragon in order to marry Anne Boleyn he broke from the Catholic faith and created the new Church of England. He began confiscating the wealth of the catholic church and destroyed many religious houses. He sold off monastery lands to the highest bidder, creating a new class of landed gentry as well as handing out peerages to his supporters. Suddenly, pub names with catholic connections became unwise, if not dangerous, and landlords rushed to change them. Many adopted "loyal" pub signs, hence the proliferation of Kings Arms, Crown etc. Even more aligned themselves with the new incoming lord of the manor by taking part of the coat of arms eg, Red Lion, Bedford Arms etc. You're quite right in saying that every pub name has numerous interpretations. When researching my e-book I tried to cover every option but it was sometimes impossible to substatiate every assertion or contradict each tall tale. However, the guesswork and the conjecture made it much more fun to write! Keep up the pub posts. Elaine Saunders Author: A Book About Pub Names Having just finished researching a e-book on British pub names, I found your posting fascinating but should just like to add a little something to your conclusions.

When Henry VIII was refused permission to divorce Catherine of Aragon in order to marry Anne Boleyn he broke from the Catholic faith and created the new Church of England. He began confiscating the wealth of the catholic church and destroyed many religious houses. He sold off monastery lands to the highest bidder, creating a new class of landed gentry as well as handing out peerages to his supporters.

Suddenly, pub names with catholic connections became unwise, if not dangerous, and landlords rushed to change them. Many adopted “loyal” pub signs, hence the proliferation of Kings Arms, Crown etc. Even more aligned themselves with the new incoming lord of the manor by taking part of the coat of arms eg, Red Lion, Bedford Arms etc.

You’re quite right in saying that every pub name has numerous interpretations. When researching my e-book I tried to cover every option but it was sometimes impossible to substatiate every assertion or contradict each tall tale. However, the guesswork and the conjecture made it much more fun to write!

Keep up the pub posts.

Elaine Saunders
Author: A Book About Pub Names

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